About the show

Like many others, we (Steve & Nathan) are on a spiritual journey of deconstruction and reconstruction to find what God truly wants of us. Just like Israel followed the pillar of fire in the desert, we want to follow God wherever we are led. And just like Israel, we get lost a lot, we get it wrong a lot, but we're trying our best to follow and have a relationship with the Father. Join us on the journey!

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  • 62: Where Are We Going?: The different destinations of deconstruction

    November 23rd, 2022  |  1 hr 8 mins

    Steve talks to Josh Kaiser, former pastor turned deconstruction coach, about the different places people tend to end up at the end of their deconstruction / faith journeys (if there even is an end). Josh has a lot of wisdom and insight to this whole crazy process, so be sure to give this one your time.

  • 61: Watching The Watchmen: Christian Nationalism isn’t going anywhere

    November 16th, 2022  |  1 hr 13 mins

    We read “The Watchman Decree” (and even hear a disturbing recitation of it) and discuss the implications of Christian Nationalism in America. What do we do about it? Can we do anything? Is maybe just a little bit okay? (Spoiler: No. No, it’s not)

  • 60: Make It Make Sense: Why do American Christians elevate horrible people?

    November 9th, 2022  |  1 hr 4 mins

    The things we lift up and admire say a lot about us. Why, then, do so many evangelical Christians in America lift up the worst of us like Donald Trump, Elon Musk, and others. Has Christianity always been like this? Is there any way to redeem it?

  • 59: Embracing the F-Word: What is Feminism and how it can help us all be fully human

    November 2nd, 2022  |  1 hr 18 mins

    Special guest Alison Buxton joins us again to discuss that OTHER dirty f-word: Feminism. She tells us what it is, what it isn’t, and why it matters. The 2 dudes on this podcast learned a LOT from Alison, including how feminism is connected to everything in ways we didn’t expect.

  • 58: Fruitless: Why aren't Christians showing the Fruit of the Spirit?

    October 19th, 2022  |  1 hr 10 mins

    Nathan and Steve discuss the age-old conundrum of why Christians don’t show more of the Fruit of the Spirit than non-Christians. Spoiler-Alert! They remain frustrated.

  • 57: Your Biggest Heresy: How do your beliefs align with popular evangelical theology?

    October 12th, 2022  |  1 hr 22 mins

    Nathan and Steve go through the survey "The State of Theology" which was published recently and find that, not only are they both wildly heretical, but that the Ligonier group writes REALLY bad questions.

  • 56: Stuck in a loop: The struggles of faith when politics and people never change

    July 20th, 2022  |  1 hr 40 mins

    The USA Supreme Court keeps throwing us curveballs, the folks in Trumpland are still doing the same-ol', everything's burning and most people just want to watch. How are we supposed to handle this kind of crazy and still, somehow, follow God?

  • 55: Book Club: “Love Matters More” with the author, Jared Byas

    June 22nd, 2022  |  1 hr 1 min

    Love matters more… than what? How about EVERYTHING? Even being right? Yup. We had the privilege of speaking with Jared Byas (the author of “Love Matters More” and co-host of “The Bible for Normal People”) about his fantastic book. We discuss how to move from a faith focused on knowledge to one focused on love.

  • 54: What is Truth? : Turns out that facts aren't important as the truth

    June 15th, 2022  |  1 hr 23 mins

    Pilate asked Jesus a question that never got answered: "What is truth?" In this episode, Steve & Nathan discuss the kinds of truth, if it's relative, if it's meaningful, and how all of this fits in to our faith. Don't worry -- ALL of your questions will most definitely be answered in this episode. WARNING: This one is pretty heavy on philosophy, so you might not want to listen while you're driving.

  • The Lord's Prayer: Practicing the Standards

    June 8th, 2022  |  23 mins 53 secs

    Nathan launches a new mini-series on the most-prayed prayer in Christianity (and least-prayed prayer in the Church of Christ): The Lord's Prayer.

  • 53: Cursed?: What to do with the curses in Genesis 3

    June 1st, 2022  |  1 hr 16 mins

    When Adam and Eve ate the fruit in the Garden of Eden, God laid down several curses. For the serpent, the woman, and the man. But what do we DO with these curses? Are we supposed to perpetuate the ideas behind them, or move away from them? What’s this story teaching us, anyway? We also discuss the sad state of gun violence in the USA. We wish we had the answers.

  • 52: “Do I Stay Christian?” with the author, Brian McLaren

    May 25th, 2022  |  50 mins 13 secs

    We had a fantastic time hanging out with Brian McLaren to talk about his new book, "Do I Stay Christian?" – the follow-up to his book "Faith After Doubt". The book first answers with "No" then "Yes" and then discusses "How" we should live, regardless of the way we answer that question. It's a brave, humbling, and important book. READ IT!

  • 51: Zoomers: Faith and deconstruction from the Gen Z perspective

    May 4th, 2022  |  1 hr 26 mins

    Generation Z may just be the people who save us all (but only if they want to). Steve & Nathan talk to Steve's kids, Hannah and Noah, to discuss their views of faith and how their parents' deconstruction has changed things for them. Includes a bonus Gen Z slang lesson you won't want to miss!

  • 50: Book Club: “Flying, Falling, Catching” - by Henri Nouwen & Carolyn Whitney-Brown

    April 27th, 2022  |  53 mins 1 sec

    During the last five years of his life, best-selling spiritual writer Henri Nouwen became close to a traveling circus trapeze troupe, The Flying Rodleighs. He passed away before he could write the book about the spiritual lessons of his time with them, so his friend, Carolyn Whitney-Brown, picked up the pieces and completed “Flying, Falling, Catching”. In this episode we got to spend time with Carolyn talking about Henri, the book, and lessons we can all learn about the spiritual journey from an unlikely source: trapeze artists.

  • 49: Stardust: How "ultimate values" shed light on a faith community, and why trust is better than belief

    April 20th, 2022  |  1 hr 14 mins

    What is at the heart of our belief when our foundation is crumbling? Where does the authority of the Bible come from if it has flaws? How has the West confused faith in information with trust in relationship? We explore these questions and more!

  • 48: Disentangling: Talking with Kate Boyd about the process deconstruction

    April 13th, 2022  |  53 mins 58 secs

    Blogger, speaker, and podcaster Kate Boyd joins us to discuss the process of deconstruction, how to approach it, and the importance of not doing it alone.